XV535 Starting Issues

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XV535 Starting Issues

Post by Sumo » Fri May 01, 2009 6:51 am

I have a customer with a XV 535 that he dropped into work for me to have a look at the starter. Well I pulled out the starter and rebuilt it, and it sounds fine in the test bench when I put it back in it wont turn the motor over, so I used a set of jumper lead directly to the starter and still no go, so now im thinking the assembly that the starter pushes into may be at fault.

My questions are,
Does the starter push into some form of clutch assembly (as the starter doesnt have a clutch on the front of it)?

Im not a bike mechanic, im a auto elec, so if its a fairly big task im going to have to pass it onto a bike mech. (Bloke told me "he doesnt want to spend too much money on the old girl")

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Post by midnight7503 » Fri May 01, 2009 8:41 am

Yes all Yamaha V motors have starting problems of 1 form or another, it isn't an electrical problem, but a mechanical 1, people have come up with a few good fixes for them over the years, and each model has a different problem, but all normally surrounding the starter clutch, either pass the job onto a mechanic, or do some research online looking for starter fixes for the XV's
Someone in a group like this
http://de.groups.yahoo.com/group/yamaha-xv/
should be able to help with some answers
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Post by Thespis » Fri May 01, 2009 9:02 am

midnight7503 wrote:Yes all Yamaha V motors have starting problems of 1 form or another, it isn't an electrical problem, but a mechanical 1, people have come up with a few good fixes for them over the years, and each model has a different problem, but all normally surrounding the starter clutch, either pass the job onto a mechanic, or do some research online looking for starter fixes for the XV's
Someone in a group like this
http://de.groups.yahoo.com/group/yamaha-xv/
should be able to help with some answers
What he said.

Unfortunately, the 535 is one of the few Yamahas I don't have a digital manual for..however I just found this online for you....

http://fiche.ronayers.com/Index.cfm/Mod ... TER_CLUTCH ....

the starter clutch is attached to the back of the alternator rotor. I hope this helps
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Post by Spokes » Fri May 01, 2009 11:27 am

The Models with a starter clutch have an issue with the clutch going in them. So even when the starter motor is turning the =starter clutch is just spinning and won't engage the motor. Also check that the throw out arm is working properly.

The models without the starter clutch had the problem of not throwing out the armature far enough to engage the drive gear to turn the motor.

Starter clutch is about $70 if I remember rightly. You can check it easily enough. It should only be able to turn one way. If it turns both ways then it's stuffed. It should turn one way and then free wheel the other when the motor starts going faster than the starter. (If that makes sense) I'll see if I still have an old stuffed one around that I can show you.
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Post by Spokes » Fri May 01, 2009 4:57 pm

I just read what I wrote and it doesn't make sense.
I know what I mean and as soon as you take the starter clutch and have a play with it you'll know what I mean too.
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Post by Thespis » Fri May 01, 2009 6:21 pm

Spokes wrote:The Models with a starter clutch have an issue with the clutch going in them. So even when the starter motor is turning the =starter clutch is just spinning and won't engage the motor. Also check that the throw out arm is working properly.

The models without the starter clutch had the problem of not throwing out the armature far enough to engage the drive gear to turn the motor.

Starter clutch is about $70 if I remember rightly. You can check it easily enough. It should only be able to turn one way. If it turns both ways then it's stuffed. It should turn one way and then free wheel the other when the motor starts going faster than the starter. (If that makes sense) I'll see if I still have an old stuffed one around that I can show you.

I wanna know where you can get a complete starter clutch for $70! I'd buy a truckload......

You will most likely need the clutch, the gear that it drives, the six bolts that hold the clutch to the rotor and an alternator cover gasket...also you'll need to loctite the six bolts when you assemble the unit.

I've replaced a lot of these Yamaha starter clutches over the years and found that if you don't replace all the parts they fail again in short time.

my AU$0.02
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Post by Sumo » Fri May 01, 2009 6:53 pm

Thanks fella's

You have sold me.

I know when its out of my league

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Post by Spokes » Fri May 01, 2009 7:39 pm

Thespis wrote:
Spokes wrote:The Models with a starter clutch have an issue with the clutch going in them. So even when the starter motor is turning the =starter clutch is just spinning and won't engage the motor. Also check that the throw out arm is working properly.

The models without the starter clutch had the problem of not throwing out the armature far enough to engage the drive gear to turn the motor.

Starter clutch is about $70 if I remember rightly. You can check it easily enough. It should only be able to turn one way. If it turns both ways then it's stuffed. It should turn one way and then free wheel the other when the motor starts going faster than the starter. (If that makes sense) I'll see if I still have an old stuffed one around that I can show you.

I wanna know where you can get a complete starter clutch for $70! I'd buy a truckload......
LMAO well it was a few years ago now so obviously my memory doesn't serve me like it used to.
Out of interest how much are they.
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Post by Thespis » Fri May 01, 2009 9:09 pm

Spokes wrote:
Thespis wrote:
Spokes wrote:The Models with a starter clutch have an issue with the clutch going in them. So even when the starter motor is turning the =starter clutch is just spinning and won't engage the motor. Also check that the throw out arm is working properly.

The models without the starter clutch had the problem of not throwing out the armature far enough to engage the drive gear to turn the motor.

Starter clutch is about $70 if I remember rightly. You can check it easily enough. It should only be able to turn one way. If it turns both ways then it's stuffed. It should turn one way and then free wheel the other when the motor starts going faster than the starter. (If that makes sense) I'll see if I still have an old stuffed one around that I can show you.

I wanna know where you can get a complete starter clutch for $70! I'd buy a truckload......
LMAO well it was a few years ago now so obviously my memory doesn't serve me like it used to.
Out of interest how much are they.
If I can shake this flu enough to go to work tomorrow, I'll price everything I reckon would be needed. I'll post the results asap.

If you can get the bike to Perth I'll fix it cheap ;-).............. :roll:
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Post by pommychopper » Fri May 01, 2009 9:58 pm

Thespis wrote:
Spokes wrote:
Thespis wrote:
I wanna know where you can get a complete starter clutch for $70! I'd buy a truckload......
LMAO well it was a few years ago now so obviously my memory doesn't serve me like it used to.
Out of interest how much are they.
If I can shake this flu enough to go to work tomorrow, I'll price everything I reckon would be needed. I'll post the results asap.

If you can get the bike to Perth I'll fix it cheap ;-).............. :roll:
Not swine Flu i hope??? :o

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Post by Spokes » Fri May 01, 2009 10:02 pm

well... he does have a hog???
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Post by Bearcx » Fri May 01, 2009 11:06 pm

Bugg3r, I was lookin at a 1990 VX800 today, in a mates shed, thinking "that would make a NICE chopper."

Can you make them kick start??
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Post by pommychopper » Sat May 02, 2009 6:31 am

Bearcx wrote:Bugg3r, I was lookin at a 1990 VX800 today, in a mates shed, thinking "that would make a NICE chopper."

Can you make them kick start??
You won't need to.....the VX is a Suzi, not yamahahaha :D

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Post by Sumo » Sat May 02, 2009 6:42 am

hahahahhaha yes its a suzi.

Naw mate, I cant get her to perth :)

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Post by Thespis » Sat May 02, 2009 9:42 am

pommychopper wrote:
Not swine Flu i hope??? :o
So do I....though I believe it's no-longer politically correct to call it that.....due to the increase in Pigocide......and being the long-time vegetarian that I am (yes, I am..) means I'd hate to see more little piggies die unnecessarily...... :shock:

But I think I'll have to go to work anyway to help pay for my "hog's" new Andrews gearbox ........which will be winging it's way from the States in a day or so...I hope IT doesn't catch Influenza A H1N1 !!!!
:roll: :lol:

I'll try and find part numbers and prices for Sumo while I'm there....and I sorta guessed a fix in Perth was a long shot...it's a bit far to commute from country NSW.... 8)
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