Welder Certification

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neale
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Welder Certification

Post by neale » Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:16 pm

Sorry, yet another stupid question.

Does anyone know, or can point me to, the requirements and cost to gain and maintain welder certification?

All the engineering requirements seem to point to using certified welders, is it viable to get the certification if you can gain the skills?

Ta,

Neale
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Dunny
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Re: Welder Certification

Post by Dunny » Wed Sep 05, 2012 7:46 pm

Welder certifications can be done through TAFE around Australia in conjunction with the WTIA (welding technology institute australia).
All Boilermakers come out of their time with a minimum welding certification, but I doubt that you would want to do that.
Welding certifications require a certain level of metallurgy that can get quite complex depending on the level of certification that you are chasing.
The crux of the deal when it comes to modifying bikes or building chassis as I see it is that the welding needs to comply to AS1554.1 (the NCoP’s do not state GP or SP but seeing as it is a dynamically loaded structure it would be safe to assume that it would require SP)
The easiest way to qualify 1554.1 is to use pre-qualified materials (C250LO for tube as a minimum). Pre-qualified consumables to one of the Australian standards & pre-qualified joint preparation.
A list of all these can be found in the back of the standard, the WTIA website or any workshop that is dealing with the fabrication & fusion welding of structures.
If all these are used the welding operator still needs to qualify the weld with a minimum of a Macro test of the weld cross section by a testing agency such as ALS in Brisbane.
Then you will require a PQR which records all of the welding parameters used to make the weld & certificates of conformance for both the consumables & materials, both provided by the supplier on request.
Once this is done you are good to go.
On completion of the welding a percentage of the welding needs NDT by a qualified NDT Tech. Mag particle would be the trick in this case.
If all this sounds like a crock of crap, it’s because it is
All this still requires approval by an engineer (in theory) & this is where the problems can start as it seems everyone from this point on takes a subjective view of what is & is not acceptable.
I have been researching this for about 8 months now & asked more dumb questions than a drunken tourist & the one thing I can guarantee you is that if you ask the same question of three people from qld transport &/or engineers & you will get three different answers.
This is the slightly technical answer, in truth I do not know how all this is applied in the real world but as I am building a clean skin I guess I will find out soon enough.
Good luck.
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neale
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Re: Welder Certification

Post by neale » Wed Sep 05, 2012 9:17 pm

Thanks, the reason I asked was that everyone trying to move forward in NSW seems to be coming up against the "certified welder" barrier, which seems to indicate that I can't actually do the work myself unless I can manage to get certified, I know and can do SFA at the moment, but I did want to learn so I could do it myself. Oh well, last payment on the welding gear in the next week, then we see whether I can learn.

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Two Belts
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Re: Welder Certification

Post by Two Belts » Tue Aug 20, 2019 2:44 pm

I had a meeting with a certifying engineer a few months ago regarding a hot rod I want to build. I asked if structural welding must be done by a certified welder and if so, is proof of that required? He said, yes, and he wants to see a copy of the welder's certificate and a receipt (or a signed note if no money changed hands) stating that he did the work. This is in NSW but just the other day, I called a well known hot rod builder in Qld and he said that no one at that shop is a certified welder and their cars are always passed for rego in Qld. I also enquired about becoming certified myself and it's not cheap. Whether or not you do that depends on if you can justify the time and expense for the amount of welding you're likely to do, how expensive a certified welder is if you have one do the work, how accessible they are depending on where you live, etc. I will probably not. I can weld well enough to get by for non-critical work and for the critical stuff that requires paperwork, I'll get someone to do it for me.

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Re: Welder Certification

Post by El Skitzo » Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:26 am

I asked the consulting Engineer who is overseeing my chopper project in WA if the welding on the frame had to be done by a certified welder, and he said no. As long as the person doing the work was well experienced with motorcycle frames, we provide detailed pictures of every step of the way, everything was TIG welded and all welds are x-rayed, he's happy.
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