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Telescopic v's Girder
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steve



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:15 pm    Post subject: Telescopic v's Girder Reply with quote

Hello all

I would like to hear some honest opinions on the advantages/disadvantages of Girder forks over Telescopic forks.
I am not after, which looks better as I can judge that for myself.
I would like information on ride comfort, handling in corners, strait line and braking. When giving this advice please remember I live in Queensland with our extensive network of goat tracks.

Thanks in advance.

Reidy
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sharky



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do girders have compression & rebound damping along with preload adj ?
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El Skitzo



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sharky wrote:
Do girders have compression & rebound damping along with preload adj ?


If you get one from http://kansaskustom.com/Front_Forks-Girders.php then yes they do.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sharky wrote:
Do girders have compression & rebound damping along with preload adj ?
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Did you have your skirt on when you replied to that Sharkster?
You're going soft in your old age. Very Happy
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Bacca



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

El Skitzo wrote:
sharky wrote:
Do girders have compression & rebound damping along with preload adj ?


If you get one from http://kansaskustom.com/Front_Forks-Girders.php then yes they do.


They look good chromed too

Be a year or so till I can answer ya question as fittin 1 to Amen (no shock like this 1, wonder if I could fit 1 of theres?)

Pitty I have to cut them down about a foot for the 550mm rule (I want it legal so no worries when ridding it on long trips)
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Brassy



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i would sacrifice comfort for style any day and springers corner well as do girders nice and hard
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KeithinSB



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

one of the big advantage's of a girder is that the trail remains nearly unchanged during compression. When telescopic forks compress, they get shorter, there by reducing trail when braking. A properly set up girder will only change your trail by 10 or 12 mm during compression, whereas a set of telescopic forks my change up to 40+ mm. I don't thing you would notice it much when going slow, but you would when riding fast and cornering.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Did you have your skirt on when you replied to that Sharkster?
You're going soft in your old age.

Same one you had on when you rode your chop, sorry I mean ZX10, on the megarun Laughing

To be quite honest does it matter...on a hardtail.
On my old XS650 hardtail (840cc,flat bars and rear sets) the front could be working fine but then you hit a bump or pothole mid corner and it all goes out the window.....
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steve



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 6:09 pm    Post subject: Travel and weight Reply with quote

I have two more questions.
How much travel do you normally get out of a set of girder's?
How do girders compare to tele's for unsprung weight?

Thanks

Reidy
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

in PCs defense i would rather were a skirt on the mega ride than one sitting at home Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what I've heard he does both Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What bike did you ride on the mega ride Sharkster.....oh that's right, your carer said you weren't allowed out as you'd not perfected the ironing of your Coles Trolley collectors uniform!!! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:36 am    Post subject: Re: Travel and weight Reply with quote

steve wrote:
I have two more questions.
How much travel do you normally get out of a set of girder's?
How do girders compare to tele's for unsprung weight?


It depends on who makes the fork.
Some are lighter, some are heavy.
The travel is about the same, but could be made longer or shorter depending on the shock used.

Here is a link to my saved mechanical fork pic page. (R rated, use caution when opening).
http://s180.photobucket.com/albums/x305/KeithinSB/Girders/



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Bacca



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote


Now that 1 be a little different!
& had to grin at this 1


Here is an artistic touch

Tho I don't like this next 1 it shows they defiantly don't have to be the same as everyone else's



More art


Thanks for that link KeithinSB, many ideas there
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Chucky



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have run a few sets of Girders ofer the years. They can adjust trail badly if not set up correctly. The key is to get the linkage lenghts correct so that the axle moves up and down vertically. The whole setup needs to be a parallelogram.

If you've got this right then the best shock set up I ran was on a Z1000A1 (sorry kwacka guys) chop. It had twin fully adjustable Koni's, I have dampening, rebound etc and it was one of the most stable bikes I've ever riden in corners.
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