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steve
Joined: 05 May 2006 Posts: 20 Location: ipswich
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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:15 pm Post subject: Telescopic v's Girder |
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Hello all
I would like to hear some honest opinions on the advantages/disadvantages of Girder forks over Telescopic forks.
I am not after, which looks better as I can judge that for myself.
I would like information on ride comfort, handling in corners, strait line and braking. When giving this advice please remember I live in Queensland with our extensive network of goat tracks.
Thanks in advance.
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sharky
Joined: 17 Jul 2009 Posts: 175 Location: Brisbane
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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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Do girders have compression & rebound damping along with preload adj ?
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El Skitzo
Joined: 30 Sep 2009 Posts: 238 Location: Perth, WA
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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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| sharky wrote: | | Do girders have compression & rebound damping along with preload adj ? |
If you get one from http://kansaskustom.com/Front_Forks-Girders.php then yes they do. _________________ 1972 Triumph T140V rigid Chop |
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pommychopper Site Admin
Joined: 04 Apr 2006 Posts: 2054
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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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| sharky wrote: | Do girders have compression & rebound damping along with preload adj ?
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Did you have your skirt on when you replied to that Sharkster?
You're going soft in your old age.  |
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Bacca
Joined: 14 Jun 2006 Posts: 1525 Location: Stawell Vic
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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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They look good chromed too
Be a year or so till I can answer ya question as fittin 1 to Amen (no shock like this 1, wonder if I could fit 1 of theres?)
Pitty I have to cut them down about a foot for the 550mm rule (I want it legal so no worries when ridding it on long trips) _________________
Bikers 4 Christ Victorian Chaplain
Chopped '80 Kawasaki KZ440C, Chopping a '81 Kwaka KZ750 twin Amen Saviour & '07 Triumph America
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Brassy
Joined: 16 Oct 2009 Posts: 58
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Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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| i would sacrifice comfort for style any day and springers corner well as do girders nice and hard |
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KeithinSB
Joined: 14 Jan 2007 Posts: 653 Location: Santa Barbara California USA
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Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 1:57 am Post subject: |
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one of the big advantage's of a girder is that the trail remains nearly unchanged during compression. When telescopic forks compress, they get shorter, there by reducing trail when braking. A properly set up girder will only change your trail by 10 or 12 mm during compression, whereas a set of telescopic forks my change up to 40+ mm. I don't thing you would notice it much when going slow, but you would when riding fast and cornering. _________________ Ride it like you can fix it. |
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sharky
Joined: 17 Jul 2009 Posts: 175 Location: Brisbane
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Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:27 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Did you have your skirt on when you replied to that Sharkster?
You're going soft in your old age. |
Same one you had on when you rode your chop, sorry I mean ZX10, on the megarun
To be quite honest does it matter...on a hardtail.
On my old XS650 hardtail (840cc,flat bars and rear sets) the front could be working fine but then you hit a bump or pothole mid corner and it all goes out the window..... |
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steve
Joined: 05 May 2006 Posts: 20 Location: ipswich
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Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 6:09 pm Post subject: Travel and weight |
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I have two more questions.
How much travel do you normally get out of a set of girder's?
How do girders compare to tele's for unsprung weight?
Thanks
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johno
Joined: 25 Jul 2009 Posts: 70 Location: brisbane
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Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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in PCs defense i would rather were a skirt on the mega ride than one sitting at home  _________________ just because its old don't make it good |
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sharky
Joined: 17 Jul 2009 Posts: 175 Location: Brisbane
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Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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From what I've heard he does both  |
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pommychopper Site Admin
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Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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What bike did you ride on the mega ride Sharkster.....oh that's right, your carer said you weren't allowed out as you'd not perfected the ironing of your Coles Trolley collectors uniform!!!  |
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KeithinSB
Joined: 14 Jan 2007 Posts: 653 Location: Santa Barbara California USA
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Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:36 am Post subject: Re: Travel and weight |
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| steve wrote: | I have two more questions.
How much travel do you normally get out of a set of girder's?
How do girders compare to tele's for unsprung weight?
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It depends on who makes the fork.
Some are lighter, some are heavy.
The travel is about the same, but could be made longer or shorter depending on the shock used.
Here is a link to my saved mechanical fork pic page. (R rated, use caution when opening).
http://s180.photobucket.com/albums/x305/KeithinSB/Girders/
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Bacca
Joined: 14 Jun 2006 Posts: 1525 Location: Stawell Vic
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Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 1:27 am Post subject: |
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Now that 1 be a little different!
& had to grin at this 1
Here is an artistic touch
Tho I don't like this next 1 it shows they defiantly don't have to be the same as everyone else's
More art
Thanks for that link KeithinSB, many ideas there _________________
Bikers 4 Christ Victorian Chaplain
Chopped '80 Kawasaki KZ440C, Chopping a '81 Kwaka KZ750 twin Amen Saviour & '07 Triumph America |
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Chucky
Joined: 22 Aug 2007 Posts: 1065
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Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 9:41 am Post subject: |
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I have run a few sets of Girders ofer the years. They can adjust trail badly if not set up correctly. The key is to get the linkage lenghts correct so that the axle moves up and down vertically. The whole setup needs to be a parallelogram.
If you've got this right then the best shock set up I ran was on a Z1000A1 (sorry kwacka guys) chop. It had twin fully adjustable Koni's, I have dampening, rebound etc and it was one of the most stable bikes I've ever riden in corners. |
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